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Tuesday, April 24, 2007

Why I have become a strong atheist.

To start off with I need to define what I mean, because strong atheist has this connotation that strong atheists can and have disproven god. What I mean by it is that I am certain there is no god, and its not because I think I can disprove god its because I think god is an incoherent concept and anything it tries to refer to cannot exist . In the following I will explain why I am certain at this time there is no god.

Now before we can talk about the existence of something that something must be meaningful. We can't say that an unie exists until we give it properties of what it is. I can't say to you that it is not a computer monitor and not a backpack and say thats it's properties. It's still meaningless because i haven't said what it is just what it isn't. It is ok to say what something is if and only if you have something called a "universe of discourse". As an example, you have a box within said box you have a pencil and a pen I ask you that I am thinking of something inside the box and that something is not the pen. Obviously that something is the pencil because it has the universe of discourse of the box, but if I give you no universe of discourse then unie becomes utterly meaningless. The term applies to too many things for it to actually exist as a separate entity.

Now lets apply this to god, how is god defined? What is god? I'll for the sake of argument use Yahweh aka the Abrahamic god as an example. Usually he is defined as Omnipotent, Omnieicent, Omnibenevolt. Are these actually positive attributes? lets see.

  • Omnipotent- All powerful
  • Omniscient- All knowing
  • Omnibenevolent- All loving
Thats what the common meanings are given of these in order to say they are postive attibutes, but heres what it is actually saying.

  • Omnipotent- without limits on power
  • Omniscient- without limits on knowledge
  • Omnibenevolent- not being able to hate
Notice these things when looked at their meaning actually are negative traits. They are saying that god basically has no limits. By saying something has no limits you define out of existence any kind of universe of discourse. Using my prior example of unie if i said a unie had no limits does this give any kind of positive attribute? does it describe what it is? Does it have a universe of discourse? I'm pretty sure it should be clear it does not and cannot because having no limits can not be compared to anything other then to have limits. So lets examine what it is to have limits and why having none becomes utterly meaningless as an attribute.

All things that we has humans know have limits. Humans have limits. Nature has limits. The universe even has limits. So how can we say that something has no limits if everything we know and can detect has limitations? We have nothing to compare it to. What other things have no limitations? Just god and nothing else. You can't say that withing a box i have something without limits because by definition the box has limits so everything within the box has limitations.

So in conclusion until someone is able to give me postive attributes of god


Please ask any questions or maybe tell me ways I can clarify this post.